What Does Douglas Deitrich Really Know?

04/12/2012 § 2 Comments

Is this the flag Doug Deitrich spoke of in his C2CAM interview?

I listen to Coast2Coast AM on a local am station here from time to time, usually when I’m up late at night hacking, and only if host George Noory or any of the really great alternate hosts interview some one really interesting. Some one speaking on Tech, Science, or Geopolitical topics, which they do have on in between the usual magic crystals people or pyramid power geeks. As that usual fare has been the mill grist for the last month I decided to look into some of the past shows on youtube. And I found a show from last year with a WWII revisionist guest who was on with John B. Wells as host, a DEEP voiced radio vet. The guest was Douglas Deitrich, an author specializing in WWII revisionist history and exposing the “real” facts behind the Roswell incident. He has a new book out regarding some amazing new stuff about Japanese advanced weapons research during the war.

He then went on to unwind an amazing story about his time as a defense department clerk working at the Presidio in San Francisco, California. Apparently he was a pupil of Gary Hambright, a semi-homeless drifter who had been trained as a baptist minister and was a part-time school teacher, as well as a councilor at the Presidio’s Army Child Day Care facility in the early 80’s, and had apparently met with Michael Aquino, described as the Army’s (self-appointed?) Satanic Chaplin. He then went on to spin the tale of the uncovering of a ritual child-abuse scandal at the Presidio CDC with Hambright in the middle of it and the Army’s attempts to squash the story, information mishandling, and the lack of professionalism and plain sloppy behavior of the DOD’s civilian personnel. This is all verifiable enough, although I question his pinning the number of children victimized by this creep at over 250, I can only find reliable numbers in the tens. One alone would be bad enough of course, but it speaks to Deitrich’s credibility. Some of the other parts of this claim were that there was a wide-spread practice of Satanism among the intelligence elite of the Army AND the CIA, and that the ritual abuse was practiced among these personnel in their own homes on base and around San Francisco.

That alone was a horrific enough story and he could have spent his entire 3 hour slot just talking about that, but that was only the first 20 minutes. THE REST of the story is what intrigued me and compelled me to comment.

The remainder of Deitrich’s time was spent on where the WWII belligerents were in terms of technology and his version of actual events during the war, which are quite a bit out of what the accepted narrative is. He also sounded a bit like a Japanese Empire apologist, excusing or outright dismissing some of the atrocities committed by the Japanese occupation forces. Some of his more outlandish claims are that the famous signing of the Instrument of Surrender on board the USS Missouri was just for show, and that the true end of the war wasn’t concluded until a “real” surrender ceremony in 1951. That the Japanese had completed development of a fission bomb in 1944 and had tested it some where in North Korea. That the Nazis also had the bomb before their surrender in May 1945, but Hitler refused to let it be used. Japanese super weapons such as a submarine-based heavy bomber fleet were deployed and awaiting orders to attack the US West Coast, balloon fire bombs were effective in starting thousands of fires in the continental US, and that the Japanese were not actually beaten and were about to beat the tar out of the allied forces prior to the imminent invasion of the Japanese homeland, but surrendered anyway as part of some obscure and (at least for my part) difficult to understand Geo-political master plan. Deitrich also described himself as an American with Japanese ancestory who was born in Taiwan.

Juicy stuff certainly, if true. But let’s examine some these claims, shall we?

I’m going to paraphrase the interview as I don’t have a transcript, but I have listened to it a number of times and it is available on youtube if you care to listen to it as well. Also, let me state categorically that I don’t know Douglas Deitrich, I have nothing against the man, and I have no agenda other than the truth. I am an armchair historian as well and know something of this history, but by no means am a scholar. But let common sense and facts prevail.

At one point, near the end of his interview, I think, Deitrich describes how the signing of the Instrument of Surrender ceremony was for show as some part of a bizarre back room deal between the Japanese Empire and the Allies, and that the real conclusion of the war wouldn’t happen for another 6 years. He also makes a big point of the fact that the Japanese dignitaries didn’t carry samurai swords. If he described what the exact nature of the “deal” was it blew right by me. I couldn’t even begin to describe his reasoning. But what I can say is that as part of his proof he offers a photograph that shows an odd American flag that was on display at the event. He says this flag was odd for the number of stars in the blue field and some other peculiarities. He gives no reasoning other than this and doesn’t explore what the flag may have been.

There were many, many photographs taken by many people at that ceremony, so its difficult to say which photograph he is speaking of without buying his book, which I will not do. But a quick google search turned up the above close match. The flag is odd for having only 36 stars (Deitrich says 31), by 1945 there were 48 states in the Union. Also, its rather rough looking, obviously pretty close to having been hand done. So is this the flag that Deitrich is referring to? I hope not, even though a pretty exhaustive search turned up only this example of anything Deitrich was talking about. Its simply a replica the flag Commodore Perry flew from his ship when he opened up Japan. Perry’s mission to Japan was in 1851, naturally it has fewer than 48 stars. Also- the dignitaries were exactly that, dignitaries. Civilian. Aside from the fact that with a few exceptions they weren’t military, the carrying of swords was a re-emerging embodiment of Bushido thing the military was trying to use to foster a pride and honor ethic among the rank and file soldiers. It wouldn’t have been appropriate to either the surrendering dignitaries or the officiating victors to allow swords at the ceremony.

Next, lets look at the technology, in particular, the atom bomb. Using this archive from actual memoranda circulated among defense, white house officials, and scientists we can see the course of the war leading up to the surrender. The Empire was getting desperate, and looking at exit strategies. One memorandum describes a Japanese Embassy cable to the Russians talking about possibilities for Russian intervention in Asia. American Intelligence had been able to decrypt these cables since 1940. In the last months of the war nowhere is there a discussion of any super weapons, the over 40 Japanese reserve divisions waiting in China Deitrich described in the interview, nor the killer bomber-submarine fleet deployed in the Pacific just waiting for word to pounce on the West Coast, nothing. Just a desperate Empire looking for a way out of the string of defeats they had suffered since Midway in 1942, widely held as the turning of the tide for the Empire. However, far from being the impotent monkeys as depicted in US propaganda (one wartime clip I saw on youtube was a really stupid cartoon explaining that since Japanese babies are carried on their mother’s backs they weren’t good pilots because they had a hard time dealing with all 3 spatial axis or some nonsense), Japanese researchers made great strides in research on the fission bomb (the type of bomb that destroyed Hiroshima.) One of their leading researchers, an associate of no less than Neils Bohr himself was Yoshio Nishima. He was an amazing scientist and made several discoveries furthering the field. If anyone was going to produce a bomb for Japan it would have been he, and he did go far in his research, but his lab was destroyed in an air attack late in the war and I was not able to find anything deffinitive as far as a ready bomb by 1945. As far as an atomic test in North Korea, it looks to me to be the usual FUD, nothing definitive. I think if the Japanese had a bomb they could have used by early 1945 they would have used it. Is this an unreasonable assumption? There are anecdotal stories of an atomic test near Hungnam, which is now in North Korea, but the details are scant and 2nd hand. It does seem however that the Japanese got further with their research than did the Germans.

Another strange assertion Deitrich makes is that the Nazis had the bomb by early 1945 as well, or perhaps even late 1944, but after the Normandy invasion and and the collapse of the “Atlantic Fortress”, German Staff implored Hitler to OK the use of what atomic weapons they had produced. Deitrich then claims that Hitler said “No”, the reasoning being one of conscience, at least for German people. Does that sound remotely credible? This is the same man who ordered the commander of the occupation force of France to destroy Paris as they left, which to his credit that commander refused. And not to mention the scorched earth policy Hitler ordered for his own country as the Allied advance plowed on through 1944. He dismissed concerns brought up by his general staf that Germans would suffer under such a policy. Hitler also placed his remaining faith for victory in the German advanced weapons programs, the same programs that produced the V1, V2, and Messerschmidt 262 jet fighter, the so-called “vengence” weapons. A man who ordered his field commanders always on the attack, a man who cared so little for defensive tactics it made him the Allies best friend during the war *. It doesn’t seem likely to me that Hitler’s conscience would have stopped him at the bomb. Also, their atomic program was heavily invested in using deuterium as as a reactor fuel and they didn’t have even half the necessary amount needed for a successful reaction by the time the war in Europe ended. Plus the program received little attention as the war ground on to the end game, the other, maturer programs were more actively developed, and the Nazi’s were putting their faith in those. If they had tested a working bomb there’s no record of it at all.

The sub-based bombers. I saw a special on the history channel about this very program. Far from being an imminent threat, these subs were actively being developed, and they were to be the largest submarine type vessels ever, but only three prototypes were developed (according to the history channel), and were not a smashing success. If they were a game changer in any way, wouldn’t the Japanese have produced more of them? What happened to the invasion fleets poised to attack the US? Deitrich at one point made a claim of Japanese sub-bombers were ready to bomb the east coast of the US with nukes. NO ONE has even hinted, in all the post-war commentary that has been written, that this was even a thought in Hirohito’s mind, ever.

Lastly, but by no means exhaustive of the details Deitrich spilled on the interview were the effectiveness of Japanese experiments in sending balloon-based gas bombs to fire the US continent. I did recall reading a news archive from during the war that described a balloon bomb killing 6 people in Oregon. According to the wikipedia article there were about 300 or so of these balloons sent by the Japanese to the US causing negligible damage as well as these lives of those 6 people. Its not exactly hard to find, and I remember reading something about this event in school text books. If these bombs were as effective as Deitrich claims there’s not much record of it.

Not to Well’s credit, whom I otherwise respect, he questioned none of Deitrich’s assertions, just a sort of audible head-nodding. I was screaming at the radio retorting with facts that I knew myself as an amateur author/historian/gardener/Parcheesi champion. I mean, the chain of events regarding this time in history are pretty well set out, questioning them as Deitrich has painted is the job of any critical thinker or competant interviewer I would think. Its great that we live in a world where people can write what they want. Its also to our detriment that we live in a world where people can write what they want.

* In a british program that described the assassination of Reinhard Heydrich by British trained Czech commandos a comment was made that the British High Command thought about sending a similar mission for Hitler but as the war wound on they thought better of it seeing that he was his own worst enemy, tactically.


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